30-01-2010, 16:36 | #21 |
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That is what I´m trying to ask in post # 10
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30-01-2010, 16:52 | #22 |
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Tikkani,
Since there are some unclear issues, could you please sort them out ? It would be great if you wrote how old the parents were, if they were X-rayed and what HD results they obtained. Don't be surprised that after all the wolfdog.org discussions on unethical CSV breeding in the UK people are a bit distrustful... I somehow took for granted that you were the kind of person who wanted to do things right, i.e. breed CSV according to certain standards, like reliable breeders in Europe do. I hope I was not mistaken? |
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i believe the kc/bva do score csv's now..altough i do not intend to breed i am going to have my boy scored just for the information. i do not see why the hurry to breed these two dogs |
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01-02-2010, 02:14 | #26 |
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Kaya couldnt of been mated when she was 18months,she is from the previous litter to my lad..she must be nearer to 2 1/2
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hi,it is good all dogs are tested, but i see Mikael gives advise on waiting till 24 mths, i would ignore this, you are vet nurse yourself and will know the majority of dogs are tested in uk at 14-16 mths old, the CWS is fast growing dog and tests can be done at 14-16 mths.
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we know what age she is but on this site only has uk as having 28 CWS, there are 48 cws in uk, sorry 49 i arrived home from Europe today with another male.......so total cws population in uk is today 49.
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01-02-2010, 02:54 | #29 |
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Only my perspective...
I think most people consider it ethical breeding practice to see how a dog will develop in temperament and health before breeding it - 11 months on the male obviously won't hurt him - but, it's hard to see what he is really like at that age, since personalities (as well as structure) develop so much during adolescence. I don't think people responding to this thread pin the UK as the only culprit, we are all 100% aware this happens in other places - but since the topic was started, I believe it opened it up to discussion and critique. As a new breeder myself, I am certainly open to that with my own litters - and hope other new breeders are as well. I think it would be great if everyone took the time, effort, and yes, money to breed as responsibly as possible. While Lee (or other breeders in the same situation) will have the aftermath to deal with if there are bad results on the male, it is the puppies who will have to suffer the potential effects of breeding with 2 dysplastic dogs. I certainly hope it's not the case, and the puppies (and Gus) turn out happy, brilliant, and healthy... I think Kaya is a perfectly acceptable age to breed (I don't think there was ever any question about that), and commend Lee for having her hips tested and allowing them to be public, if those are indeed her results on the OFA page. With C hips, it becomes so very important to be certain you are breeding to a healthy dog from a healthy line - I think people really worry for the pups since Argo (father of Gus), though healthy himself, has produced some puppies with HD. If not breeding to improve the breed, with only the best probabilities for a stable, correct and healthy litter being matched together, then why breed? If I were Lee, I would probably wait until 18 months (or maybe 24) before I tested Gus; since there is nothing to be done at this point, and the results are much more reliable at an older age. I know you and Rona definitely do not see eye to eye...but I think in previous posts she has been very supportive of Tikaani in his ventures, as I recall, even if she was not in agreement with other practices in the UK. I really think it was probably a shock and disbelief to her to see the details of the breeding. Whatever the outcome, there are nine new pups in the world, and again, I hope only the best for them.
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Hello Solowolf
I think you did ask Nebulosa some HD questions when she had her first litter in Brazil... now was that an attack on Brazilian breeders ??? And many many many people has had to answer questions online here on the English forum like for example Wilczy Omen, Wolfsirius, Taabernakkelin, Da louba tar, Crying Wolf, Dancing Cloud, z Peronowki, Zlata Palz, Monika, you and more... and very soon ME !!! Some of this breeders at least did answer are questions Remember there are also 9 more Wolfdog forums on this site, many questions are asked to breeders there to... I think if you plan to breed CsW and start kennel topics here, you will have to answer some questions... Especially if it say "data not available" on the HD info and you breed whit a dog that is under 12 month, and this goes for ALL Breeders not just the ones in the UK... My veterinarian recommends that male dogs of this size are to be at least 24 month to do a HD x-ray, and Just for the record I think I will x-ray Hronec at 36 month As I do not plan to breed him this spring neither ... Very best regards / Mikael
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Eleven, if you want to be exact, Mikael. You haven't counted the Spanish and Portuguese ones.
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I see in database you import from crying wolf another problematic puppie coming from displasia line. Your female is Histeria Crying wolf and you say you have experiences in breeding but you import female for breeding which is inbreed on Feherlofia - a dysplatic dog and have many many dog with bad results in pedigree. you write many things about health of CLC and criticize other but you do very bad work in you contry because you say it is good to breed with dog from dysplasia line without knowing his hip results. And you import dogs inbreeded on dysplasia. You make really bad for health of CLC in UK. |
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Dear Lupis ,
I'm always happy when I read your nice words....would you be so kind to answer my question I made a mounth ago to you.....such as: what is your experienses with CSWolfdogs? your breeding experiences? etc...... Because as I see you are always just critisizes everybody but couldn't show anything by yourself! Please write me the names of the"many many wrong Hd resulted dogs of Histeria's pedigree" And please don't forget that Argo's pups have mothers as well..... Paul doesn't need to worry about the health of the dogs: I give breeding and health quarantee for EVERY of our pups! Else : of course I don't agree that Lee used Fergus. He is young , he hasn't got breeding license and no HB results. Edit |
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