Finding CzW Breeders in PORTUGAL or SPAIN

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Rona

Paula, this is not the issue. What Patrick meant was that good, valuable and well socialised wolfdogs can be bred in any country, not only in the the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

This is true, of course. The "quality" of the pups does not depend on their place of birth and HD results only, but on many other factors too, which were mentioned earlier in the topic.

I understand, but Patrick write "what we can do more?" I alone give one off topic idea.

back at the topic, we can see in some breeds better dogs in one other country that not the origin country, I agree with Rona and Letty.
I cannot say if it is truth or not with the CzW in relaction of the origin country/ others countries, can be truth for ones can be that not have happen for other, I still believe that all this will depend on the breeder, I go say what happen here with the Dobermann, here few people have courage for import one Dobermann from europe, but all breeders say that european Dobermanns are nice, with excelent body and excelent behaviour, thing that lack sometimes in the American type, but all import from North America... why?!
Curious I searching for europeans import here and talk with some breeders, and I find some that come's from kennels that are know for it's good work, sold as high quality dogs... when I see they I understand why they never have touch an exposition or working trials, all are very weak dogs, without bones, without muscle as the parents and as some brothers that stay in europe is, without temperament, well, one really PET dog, that never will be used in the breeding, I casn garantee that the problem isn't the care give by the breeder here, but the dog, that isn't a quality dog as promisse by the breeder, because this, some people stop to import dogs from europe of this breed.
The same thing in relaction of the origin country breeders/others countries breeder, not happen this sometime with the CzW too?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Off topic: that sounds very much like European Dobermanns, I don´t think they are much better in the country of origin

Of course there are more good breeders in the country of origin but there are also some good breeders that bonitate their dogs, do the endurance run and x-ray not only the hips but the ellbows too out of those countries. And there are breeders that breed in an irresponsible way in those countries. The only way to get a good one is to look thoroughly at the breeder, his dogs and his offspring, not only on the country he lives in. If you don´t invest time and money in travelling you can´t be sure to get a good dog.

Ina

[Rona]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

The only way to get a good one is to look thoroughly at the breeder, his dogs and his offspring, not only on the country he lives in. If you don´t invest time and money in travelling you can´t be sure to get a good dog.
Ina

I agree with one reservation. It is all true, provided the potential puppy buyer KNOWS exactly what to look for as far as the breeder is concerned. As long as somebody does not know much about dogs in general, the specific breed in particular, the process and criteria of good breeding, etc. the breeder is the sole informer and can convince such a person that only HE sells good pups whatever the truth is.

Gathering information is time consuming, reliance on expert opinions more and more common, not to mention the problem of various, sometimes even contradictory views on breeding. It could be quite challenging for a potential owner to find a path in the jungle of information.

That's why I think we should highly respect those potential owners who before buying the pup spend a few months on reading about the breed, visiting kennels and dog shows, corresponding with the breeders and asking questions on the forum. In case of CSVs the question of the puppy's price is secondary to the issue if one would be able to make a good CSV owner.

[saschia]

I agree that the quality of breeding can be good also in countries which are nmot countries of origin. There are some important issues though:

1) The parents should have official bonitation. Dog-show results are not allways good for saying if the dogs are good or not, as we all know some judges don't know the breed and give bad marks to dogs for traits which we want to have in CsV (light eyes, short tail, narrow stature of front legs, etc.).
2) The breeding should be either according to a breeding plan, or at least it should follow some principles - if there is some fault, only one of the parents is allowed to have it and the other one should be very good in this trait (if one parent has darker eyes, the other should have very nice, yellow eyes), bad traits are not used in breeding (missing teeth, shy chracter, aggresive character, etc).
3) The parents should be x-rayed.
4) The puppies should be well socialized.

There are also more things, but I think these are very important. Especially the first two points. And of course, the breeders in countries of origin HAVE TO follow the first two points, while in most other countires they don't have to... Therefore it is easier to find bad-breeding puppies in countries other than countries of origin. But, there are also breeder in other countries, which bonitate their dogs and follow the principles of good breeding and therefore it is safe to take puppies from them.

[solowolf]

Hi Hector, in uk we can not do bonitation test but we try our best to cover all health aspects with our dogs and use the best we can for breeding, the hip tests are very important, in uk we get scores from 0-64 for each hip, the bitch i bred from in october was 2 left 3 right in europe this would be HD A ,her mother was HD A, although the parents test is good it does not mean all the offspring will be the same but it is a good guild and important, you should also ask for an eye test certificate which should be up to date , within the last year,, we also do the elbows in uk, as with all breeds as they advance the gene pool gets smaller and also certain breeders inbreed a lot, if you look at some dogs bred in France you will see from articles on this site that the dogs lack in substance, charicter and are very shy, when you buy your dog read the breed notes on this site, on temperament learn all you can and i strongly advise a visit to a reputable kennel to see older dogs, you will be made welcome at a summer camp and here you will see the dogs properly what they should look and act like, you can learn lots on rearing your pup and on training, they are such a wonderful and rewarding breed but take your time and make sure you get the right dog or bitch, believe me its worth the time and effort to get the right dog. i am very criticle when it comes to dogs and i see a lot of dogs now in Europe at shows that are nothing like what they should be, i wish you all the best and hope you get your puppy,best regards paul u.k

[c_saraiva]

Hello everybody! i'm portuguese, sorry about my english, that is not very good! some time ago i saw the czechslovakian wolfdog in a magazine, but the information was short!! i would like to know someting more about this breed and maybe buy a dog, but in portugal i can't find any breeder!! do you know anything about this breed in my country? i think there are here wolfdogs, but i can't find any information!!! could you help me??


tanks

Cláudio Saraiva

[Hanka]

I think, in the Portugal are not breeders of this breed. Maybe some owners. You must contact some breeders from other states. Please, buy puppy from parents with HD results, with bonitations (include test of character)

[Nebulosa]

Last year had one CzW litter in Portugal from the kennel "Nobreza branca", now I find the dogs with the kennel "Lugar do poço", Can be a good idea enter in contact with then.
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o3413.html

Ano passado nasceu em Portugal uma ninhada de CLT no canil Nobreza Branca, agora encontrei os cães como propriedade do canil "Lugar do poço", acho que seria uma boa idéia entrar em contato com eles.

[c_saraiva]

if i buy one dog of this breed it will be my first dog, i never had a dog of any breed, there is any problem with that?it's indicated for a first dog?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by c_saraiva

if i buy one dog of this breed it will be my first dog, i never had a dog of any breed, there is any problem with that?it's indicated for a first dog?

In this site have a lot of informations for future owners, look at "temperament".
"Are you right for theCzechoslowakian Wolfdog?
Before buying a dog answer this honestly:

- Have you owned other kind of dogs that will give you some reference point and some experience for owning an CzW?

- Are you willing to invest time and money to search and get the right pet for you and your family?

- Do you have the resources and the inclination to help a young puppy get the socialization, care and training it will need to grow into the best possible pet?

- Do you have the time and space to share with a dog that will need a lot of affection, direction and attention?

- Are you willing to walk the extra dog mile that this breed will need? "

You can reading too a lot of things in this forum that confirme, CzW is a dog for experienced owners.
In my opinion, the first dog have to be mediun/little sized, not much strong without hard temperament, for in problems cases be easy for the new owner handle, believe-me, you will learn a lot of things with one more easy dog too as will have some good experiences

For turn the life easy, I translate this.


"Você é a pessoa certa para um CLT?!
Antes de comprar o cão, responda honestamente:

- Você já teve algum outro tipo de cachorro que possa lhe servir como um ponto de referência e alguma experiência para ter um CLT?

- Você está disposto a investir tempo e dinheiro para encontrar o Pet correto pra ti e para a tua familia?

- Tu já fez alguma pesquisa e tende a ajudar o filhote a ser sociabilizado, receber o cuidado e treinamento necessário para que ele se torne um excelente Pet?!

- Tens espaço e tempo para dividir com um cão que necessita de muito afeto, orientação e atenção?

- Estás disposto a caminhar uma " milha extra " que um cão dessa raça precisará?"

Greetings

Paula